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		<title>By: The Communist Federation of Students &#171;</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Communist Federation of Students &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] right. 175 people (unheard of for a student society meeting) came out to protest the complaint and vote unanimously to remove these two idiots from [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Live Video Feed—Monday&#8217;s AMS Council meeting &#124; ubyssey.ca</title>
		<link>http://ubyssey.ca/news/president-asked-to-resign/comment-page-1#comment-6087</link>
		<dc:creator>Live Video Feed—Monday&#8217;s AMS Council meeting &#124; ubyssey.ca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 22:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] President asked to resign  Looking at the UN complaint  Council vs. Frederick, Chu  Another AMS executive involved in complaint [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Gordon Katic</title>
		<link>http://ubyssey.ca/news/president-asked-to-resign/comment-page-1#comment-6001</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon Katic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 06:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The relatively healthy state of our educational system (although it is far from perfect) is only more reason to defend it and to stand by international commitments. Again, the &quot;bigger fish to fry&quot; argument is evasive; the fact that other people have it worse does not absolve us from keeping our international commitments. How the UN organizes it&#039;s triage of human rights violations is not Blake Frederick&#039;s concern, Canada&#039;s non-compliance and the state of her public educational system is. We need to be all the more diligent when these issues come up, because without our commitment to public education and international treaties, things can only slide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The relatively healthy state of our educational system (although it is far from perfect) is only more reason to defend it and to stand by international commitments. Again, the &#8220;bigger fish to fry&#8221; argument is evasive; the fact that other people have it worse does not absolve us from keeping our international commitments. How the UN organizes it&#8217;s triage of human rights violations is not Blake Frederick&#8217;s concern, Canada&#8217;s non-compliance and the state of her public educational system is. We need to be all the more diligent when these issues come up, because without our commitment to public education and international treaties, things can only slide.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Katic</title>
		<link>http://ubyssey.ca/news/president-asked-to-resign/comment-page-1#comment-5999</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon Katic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 06:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s the UN&#039;s prerogative, it has nothing to do with Blake Frederick. He filled the complaint on the grounds that Canada has not fulfilled treaty commitments, and from my understanding this seems to be quite accurate. The greater issue is why nobody seems to be substantively addressing Canada&#039;s shameful non-compliance; Canada&#039;s non-compliance is the embarrassment, not Blake&#039;s RECOGNITION of it. You wonder why the UN is so weak on the international stage? Well this is the answer, and we are all complicit. International commitments matter, they are what introduce morality to the international stage, facilitate universal human progress and heal the divisions between nations and peoples of the world. If we don&#039;t honor the human rights commitments we have made to our own citizens, what sort of behavior do you expect from this country in the chaotic world of international politics (apathy towards detainee abuse perhaps)? As students, and as Canadians, we ought to rethink where our anger should be directed.   

I personally think any effort to view access to education as a human rights issue (as the UN explicitly does, as the general public does, as the general public views access to health care) as a step in the right direction. I was disgusted by the apathy demonstrated by the student council at today&#039;s meeting--voting to end debate on Blake&#039;s motion was quite frankly cowardly. We saw one person today break down in tears because she can no longer afford to go to UBC, but discussion of this issue ended before it began. How can you claim to represent the concerns of the students if you vote to not discuss the issue of tuition? Passing it to committee when a large portion of the crowd was there to address this concern was simply using bureaucratic politics to defend the status quo. Never mind the millions who would do anything to attend a university of this caliber, but the very students attending are not being spoken for. The council should be ashamed for putting petty politics over issues of profound importance. And to those who laughed at that obnoxious UN joke (although it was funny, I&#039;ll admit), I hope you don&#039;t embrace that misguided and narrow-minded understanding of human rights and the role of the UN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s the UN&#8217;s prerogative, it has nothing to do with Blake Frederick. He filled the complaint on the grounds that Canada has not fulfilled treaty commitments, and from my understanding this seems to be quite accurate. The greater issue is why nobody seems to be substantively addressing Canada&#8217;s shameful non-compliance; Canada&#8217;s non-compliance is the embarrassment, not Blake&#8217;s RECOGNITION of it. You wonder why the UN is so weak on the international stage? Well this is the answer, and we are all complicit. International commitments matter, they are what introduce morality to the international stage, facilitate universal human progress and heal the divisions between nations and peoples of the world. If we don&#8217;t honor the human rights commitments we have made to our own citizens, what sort of behavior do you expect from this country in the chaotic world of international politics (apathy towards detainee abuse perhaps)? As students, and as Canadians, we ought to rethink where our anger should be directed.   </p>
<p>I personally think any effort to view access to education as a human rights issue (as the UN explicitly does, as the general public does, as the general public views access to health care) as a step in the right direction. I was disgusted by the apathy demonstrated by the student council at today&#8217;s meeting&#8211;voting to end debate on Blake&#8217;s motion was quite frankly cowardly. We saw one person today break down in tears because she can no longer afford to go to UBC, but discussion of this issue ended before it began. How can you claim to represent the concerns of the students if you vote to not discuss the issue of tuition? Passing it to committee when a large portion of the crowd was there to address this concern was simply using bureaucratic politics to defend the status quo. Never mind the millions who would do anything to attend a university of this caliber, but the very students attending are not being spoken for. The council should be ashamed for putting petty politics over issues of profound importance. And to those who laughed at that obnoxious UN joke (although it was funny, I&#8217;ll admit), I hope you don&#8217;t embrace that misguided and narrow-minded understanding of human rights and the role of the UN.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff</title>
		<link>http://ubyssey.ca/news/president-asked-to-resign/comment-page-1#comment-5998</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 05:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you cannot attend primary school because you cannot afford to pay for something as simple as a pencil to write with, that is a financial barrier to education. When this is part of a society&#039;s &quot;norm&quot;, that is a political issue. 80 dollars to students who spend that on their cellphone bill, or an overpriced textbook is not. I would love education to be free. My roommate (Scottish) is here for free on exchange, because his education is covered by the government. But free is a caveat term we apply to it because, in the end, the government will pay for his education with his tax dollars.

Am I in favour of free education? 
Of course. I would love free education. 

Do I want to see an increase in my taxes? 
I&#039;m perfectly fine with that. I really don&#039;t mind taxes because I see the benefit they do. 

Do I share views with the majority of Canadians? 
No.  And understanding this, I understand that I will be paying for my education up front instead of over time.

Access to education is minimal. I cannot tell the whole population of Canada to go to school. Some people just don&#039;t jive with the education system. The issues being faced by First Nation peoples are much more deep rooted than the cost of tuition, and that the Downtown Eastside has little or nothing to do with rising tuition fees. Literacy is a goal on the Eastside, and an astoundingly difficult one at that, despite the social services available to residents. It may even be argued that funding for research and post-secondary education would be better utilized in social support systems across Canada. 

Your blatant ignorance of basic economic principles and social issues is not uncommon from either the liberal or conservative contingent. Understand that issues such as poverty and education are much more complex that simple &quot;for and against&quot; politics that we are culturally infused with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you cannot attend primary school because you cannot afford to pay for something as simple as a pencil to write with, that is a financial barrier to education. When this is part of a society&#8217;s &#8220;norm&#8221;, that is a political issue. 80 dollars to students who spend that on their cellphone bill, or an overpriced textbook is not. I would love education to be free. My roommate (Scottish) is here for free on exchange, because his education is covered by the government. But free is a caveat term we apply to it because, in the end, the government will pay for his education with his tax dollars.</p>
<p>Am I in favour of free education?<br />
Of course. I would love free education. </p>
<p>Do I want to see an increase in my taxes?<br />
I&#8217;m perfectly fine with that. I really don&#8217;t mind taxes because I see the benefit they do. </p>
<p>Do I share views with the majority of Canadians?<br />
No.  And understanding this, I understand that I will be paying for my education up front instead of over time.</p>
<p>Access to education is minimal. I cannot tell the whole population of Canada to go to school. Some people just don&#8217;t jive with the education system. The issues being faced by First Nation peoples are much more deep rooted than the cost of tuition, and that the Downtown Eastside has little or nothing to do with rising tuition fees. Literacy is a goal on the Eastside, and an astoundingly difficult one at that, despite the social services available to residents. It may even be argued that funding for research and post-secondary education would be better utilized in social support systems across Canada. </p>
<p>Your blatant ignorance of basic economic principles and social issues is not uncommon from either the liberal or conservative contingent. Understand that issues such as poverty and education are much more complex that simple &#8220;for and against&#8221; politics that we are culturally infused with.</p>
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		<title>By: Gonzo</title>
		<link>http://ubyssey.ca/news/president-asked-to-resign/comment-page-1#comment-5992</link>
		<dc:creator>Gonzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 00:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) there is absolutley nothing to suggest that they did not go through proper procedures to spend that money. The spending out of the legal fund required 2 exec signatures, no?
2) They do not have to get Council&#039;s approval for every move they make. It is well within their mandate to write letters, start projects, meet with public officials, etc. they don&#039;t need Council&#039;s permission to do these things. And there is nothing in code that says they have to get Council&#039;s permission to submit a complaint on behalf of the AMS. Now they DID need Council&#039;s permission to call for &quot;lower tuition.&quot; But really, is that really such an infringement? That deserves impeachment?
3) I have a lot of trust for Blake and Tim, because they&#039;re not letting Council&#039;s constant pandering to the BC LIberals to stop the AMS from actually being effective for once! You may have lost trust, conservative Council may have lost trust, but not all students did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) there is absolutley nothing to suggest that they did not go through proper procedures to spend that money. The spending out of the legal fund required 2 exec signatures, no?<br />
2) They do not have to get Council&#8217;s approval for every move they make. It is well within their mandate to write letters, start projects, meet with public officials, etc. they don&#8217;t need Council&#8217;s permission to do these things. And there is nothing in code that says they have to get Council&#8217;s permission to submit a complaint on behalf of the AMS. Now they DID need Council&#8217;s permission to call for &#8220;lower tuition.&#8221; But really, is that really such an infringement? That deserves impeachment?<br />
3) I have a lot of trust for Blake and Tim, because they&#8217;re not letting Council&#8217;s constant pandering to the BC LIberals to stop the AMS from actually being effective for once! You may have lost trust, conservative Council may have lost trust, but not all students did.</p>
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		<title>By: Slapper Badger</title>
		<link>http://ubyssey.ca/news/president-asked-to-resign/comment-page-1#comment-5975</link>
		<dc:creator>Slapper Badger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah Gordon!</description>
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		<title>By: Slapper Badger</title>
		<link>http://ubyssey.ca/news/president-asked-to-resign/comment-page-1#comment-5974</link>
		<dc:creator>Slapper Badger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am very disappointed with your comments, Geoff. I would not have expected you to claim that because we got &#039;privileged access&#039; that we &#039;have no idea what lack of education is&#039; and should therefore be glad for tuition increases that go against a public commitment with the UN which was not upheld. It is hilarious that apparently people have NOT paid for public school throughout their lives, and then should be expected NOT to complain when it comes to being FORCED to pay tuition. There are many countries where higher education is free or close to (e.g., Norway, Sweden, Cuba, Brazil, France, Germany). Your assertion that access to education is not a problem here is not only irresponsible, but misguiding and misinformed. It also ignores the realities of the Downtown Eastside and the issues being faced by aboriginals. In short, it is a lamentable comment, and your &#039;rationality&#039; seems to be incredibly problematic. Not everything is about making calculations. You should read Stephen Jay Gould&#039;s &quot;Mismeasure of Man&quot; and refresh your stale ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am very disappointed with your comments, Geoff. I would not have expected you to claim that because we got &#8216;privileged access&#8217; that we &#8216;have no idea what lack of education is&#8217; and should therefore be glad for tuition increases that go against a public commitment with the UN which was not upheld. It is hilarious that apparently people have NOT paid for public school throughout their lives, and then should be expected NOT to complain when it comes to being FORCED to pay tuition. There are many countries where higher education is free or close to (e.g., Norway, Sweden, Cuba, Brazil, France, Germany). Your assertion that access to education is not a problem here is not only irresponsible, but misguiding and misinformed. It also ignores the realities of the Downtown Eastside and the issues being faced by aboriginals. In short, it is a lamentable comment, and your &#8216;rationality&#8217; seems to be incredibly problematic. Not everything is about making calculations. You should read Stephen Jay Gould&#8217;s &#8220;Mismeasure of Man&#8221; and refresh your stale ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy - Arts AMS</title>
		<link>http://ubyssey.ca/news/president-asked-to-resign/comment-page-1#comment-5937</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy - Arts AMS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The AMS budget this year allowed for up to $25,000 to be spent on legal fees. The allocation of these funds is at the discretion of Council OR the Executive Committee. The contract with Pivot, and the payment were taken through Executive Committee and not reported to Council.

So technically it wasn&#039;t a misappropriation of funds, as they didn&#039;t go against any rules, however the whole issue in and of itself is a big bucket of fail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The AMS budget this year allowed for up to $25,000 to be spent on legal fees. The allocation of these funds is at the discretion of Council OR the Executive Committee. The contract with Pivot, and the payment were taken through Executive Committee and not reported to Council.</p>
<p>So technically it wasn&#8217;t a misappropriation of funds, as they didn&#8217;t go against any rules, however the whole issue in and of itself is a big bucket of fail.</p>
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		<title>By: FD</title>
		<link>http://ubyssey.ca/news/president-asked-to-resign/comment-page-1#comment-5935</link>
		<dc:creator>FD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Another motion was brought forward by Mona Maghsoodi, Graduate Student Society councilor, to ask VP Academic Johannes Rebane and VP Finance Tom Dvorak to resign, as they had signed off on the contract with Pivot Legal Society—the law firm with which Frederick and Chu filed the complaint.&quot;

This a priceless little nugget that&#039;s being glossed over entirely here, considering that, only last year, Mona Maghsoodi, as president of the Graduate Student Society, made an executive decision (with only a handful of like-minded GSS execs) to withhold the now infamous 2008-2009 Graduate Handbook because she personally disagreed with its content - fully prepared to spend thousands of student dollars for a censored reprint. An action for which, even by the majority of councilors who themselves disagreed with said content, she was rightfully chastised, but not impeached. Now, she suddenly appears to have so great problem with student executives making what should obviously be voting decisions behind closed doors that she even wants the middlemen fired for it. I&#039;ll leave the outraged cries of hypocrisy to someone less jaded, but the obviousness of the fact that this is not about procedure, but about only politics, that it is alright if a center-right exec does it, but disdainful when it&#039;s a naive leftist wanna-be radical, is too hilarious to not point out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Another motion was brought forward by Mona Maghsoodi, Graduate Student Society councilor, to ask VP Academic Johannes Rebane and VP Finance Tom Dvorak to resign, as they had signed off on the contract with Pivot Legal Society—the law firm with which Frederick and Chu filed the complaint.&#8221;</p>
<p>This a priceless little nugget that&#8217;s being glossed over entirely here, considering that, only last year, Mona Maghsoodi, as president of the Graduate Student Society, made an executive decision (with only a handful of like-minded GSS execs) to withhold the now infamous 2008-2009 Graduate Handbook because she personally disagreed with its content &#8211; fully prepared to spend thousands of student dollars for a censored reprint. An action for which, even by the majority of councilors who themselves disagreed with said content, she was rightfully chastised, but not impeached. Now, she suddenly appears to have so great problem with student executives making what should obviously be voting decisions behind closed doors that she even wants the middlemen fired for it. I&#8217;ll leave the outraged cries of hypocrisy to someone less jaded, but the obviousness of the fact that this is not about procedure, but about only politics, that it is alright if a center-right exec does it, but disdainful when it&#8217;s a naive leftist wanna-be radical, is too hilarious to not point out.</p>
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